Comments on: Who do you look like? http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2009/11/18/who-do-you-look-like/ Initiating a new Grassroots movement in downtown Vancouver Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:25:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: pdx http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2009/11/18/who-do-you-look-like/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 pdx Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:59:26 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=986#comment-2979 1. it is reprehensible to use appearance as a "tactic" to accomplish your objective, which is ultimately to convince someone to believe in the idea that you hold. of course there are other objectives and you should be applauded for feeding and clothing. but at the end of the day, aren't you ultimately doing it for the afterlife? which leads me into my #2. 2. let me first back up. the jewish idea of gods judgement was swift and final. sheol was the grave. the pit. the end. there wasn't the idea of eternal afterlife. hell was the grave and heaven was up inthe sky. where god lived. like all other cultures, these ideas grew and changed and evolved. many of the words attributed to jesus are framed in "reward and punishment". this is totally understandable because it was the common premodern understanding of a supernatural deity. we have no idea if there is something after this life. there might well be. but it is quite clear that the hebrew and christian documents do not tell a similar story about what comes next. these stories came about like every other religion. they hold truths, even if they are not literally true. a beautiful mix of history and metaphor. no one can untangle the two. or perhaps you can? i would love to hear your thoughts. bottom line. thank you for feeding people. (thanks for allowing me to babble incoherently) 1. it is reprehensible to use appearance as a "tactic" to accomplish your objective, which is ultimately to convince someone to believe in the idea that you hold. of course there are other objectives and you should be applauded for feeding and clothing. but at the end of the day, aren't you ultimately doing it for the afterlife? which leads me into my #2.

2. let me first back up. the jewish idea of gods judgement was swift and final. sheol was the grave. the pit. the end. there wasn't the idea of eternal afterlife. hell was the grave and heaven was up inthe sky. where god lived. like all other cultures, these ideas grew and changed and evolved.

many of the words attributed to jesus are framed in "reward and punishment". this is totally understandable because it was the common premodern understanding of a supernatural deity.

we have no idea if there is something after this life. there might well be. but it is quite clear that the hebrew and christian documents do not tell a similar story about what comes next. these stories came about like every other religion. they hold truths, even if they are not literally true. a beautiful mix of history and metaphor. no one can untangle the two.

or perhaps you can? i would love to hear your thoughts.

bottom line. thank you for feeding people.

(thanks for allowing me to babble incoherently)

]]> By: Admin http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2009/11/18/who-do-you-look-like/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 Admin Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:53:09 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=986#comment-2978 Two questions. Is it reprehensible to begin to look like others as you begin to see the underlying beauty in their appearance? Can you unpack "the paradigm the early church initiated was plain old “reward and punishment”? Two questions.
Is it reprehensible to begin to look like others as you begin to see the underlying beauty in their appearance?
Can you unpack "the paradigm the early church initiated was plain old “reward and punishment”?

]]> By: pdx http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2009/11/18/who-do-you-look-like/comment-page-1/#comment-2977 pdx Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:09:14 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=986#comment-2977 Why must Christians feel like they need to look the part or act a certain way in order to influence people to agree with their specific religious point of view? It is disingenuous and reprehensible. Don’t you realize we look fake and like salesmen? Don’t you think these people see your creepy underhanded tactics? They see right through your ulterior motives. Don’t you get it? I am in love with people who love others not because they are “called” to do this because of religious obligations but because they do it for purely selfless reasons. Because it is the right thing to do. Not for a reward or heaven or because they were told to do it. Cause let’s be honest, the paradigm the early church initiated was plain old “reward and punishment”. Why must Christians feel like they need to look the part or act a certain way in order to influence people to agree with their specific religious point of view? It is disingenuous and reprehensible. Don’t you realize we look fake and like salesmen? Don’t you think these people see your creepy underhanded tactics? They see right through your ulterior motives. Don’t you get it? I am in love with people who love others not because they are “called” to do this because of religious obligations but because they do it for purely selfless reasons. Because it is the right thing to do. Not for a reward or heaven or because they were told to do it. Cause let’s be honest, the paradigm the early church initiated was plain old “reward and punishment”.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2009/11/18/who-do-you-look-like/comment-page-1/#comment-2976 Jonathan Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:06:37 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=986#comment-2976 I'm remembering man purses, black hair, tight jeans, tight euro-shirts, futebol lust, etc. Good times? I'm remembering man purses, black hair, tight jeans, tight euro-shirts, futebol lust, etc. Good times?

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