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	<title>Comments on: Christian Rock?</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try finding music by Mark Heard.  He&#039;s in heaven now, but his music is still light years ahead of any CCM.  Honest, real and not mainstream CCM. No comparison.  Phil Keaggy and Neal Morse are still legit as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try finding music by Mark Heard.  He&#8217;s in heaven now, but his music is still light years ahead of any CCM.  Honest, real and not mainstream CCM. No comparison.  Phil Keaggy and Neal Morse are still legit as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>james, I&#039;m with you.  james Taylor type stuff is my type and chris Rice has some great lyrics.  I guess I&#039;m not as pessimistic about christian music cause i only listen to good stuff.  Why would I waste my time finding all the crappy stuff.  I don&#039;t have the time!  &lt;br/&gt;Our radio station here plays a lot of casting Crowns but aside from the overplay, I like most of their lyrics and music.  Chelan and I went to their concert along with Nicole Nordeman and all the people in the group attend the same church together, work in the youth ministry, and the lead is the youth dude.  During the intermission they asked everyone involved in youth ministry to go to a meeting where they distributed material and info on curriculumetc. that they created...  i like real life people like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james, I&#8217;m with you.  james Taylor type stuff is my type and chris Rice has some great lyrics.  I guess I&#8217;m not as pessimistic about christian music cause i only listen to good stuff.  Why would I waste my time finding all the crappy stuff.  I don&#8217;t have the time!  <br />Our radio station here plays a lot of casting Crowns but aside from the overplay, I like most of their lyrics and music.  Chelan and I went to their concert along with Nicole Nordeman and all the people in the group attend the same church together, work in the youth ministry, and the lead is the youth dude.  During the intermission they asked everyone involved in youth ministry to go to a meeting where they distributed material and info on curriculumetc. that they created&#8230;  i like real life people like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Rizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what a old man friend of mine said. He said that he would get up on stage and jump up and down while patting his head, if that brought people to Jesus. This awesome church in Portland actually promoted and succesfully held a &quot;Camp Song Sunday&quot;. It was a way to get people excited about the summer. They sang camp songs. At church. And it worked.&lt;br/&gt;In other words, I guess if it works...who cares?&lt;br/&gt;At the same time, no way in H-E-double hockey sticks am I going to do something that stupid...I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what a old man friend of mine said. He said that he would get up on stage and jump up and down while patting his head, if that brought people to Jesus. This awesome church in Portland actually promoted and succesfully held a &#8220;Camp Song Sunday&#8221;. It was a way to get people excited about the summer. They sang camp songs. At church. And it worked.<br />In other words, I guess if it works&#8230;who cares?<br />At the same time, no way in H-E-double hockey sticks am I going to do something that stupid&#8230;I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article a few weeks ago about a few churches (Methodist and Episcopalian, I think) that are doing something unusual to attract new members, particularly young people. They&#039;ve put together a video program featuring several of U2&#039;s more spiritually-themed songs (Pride, Still Haven&#039;t Found What I&#039;m Looking For, etc.) and they blast it out on Sunday nights. It&#039;s only a handful of churches right now, but the idea seems to be catching on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know how I feel about it. I mean, I love U2, and I love spreading the Gospel...but combining the two? Part of me says &quot;whatever works.&quot; Part of me says &quot;Bono is kind of a tool.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No matter what, it&#039;s gotta be better than Michael W. Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article a few weeks ago about a few churches (Methodist and Episcopalian, I think) that are doing something unusual to attract new members, particularly young people. They&#8217;ve put together a video program featuring several of U2&#8242;s more spiritually-themed songs (Pride, Still Haven&#8217;t Found What I&#8217;m Looking For, etc.) and they blast it out on Sunday nights. It&#8217;s only a handful of churches right now, but the idea seems to be catching on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how I feel about it. I mean, I love U2, and I love spreading the Gospel&#8230;but combining the two? Part of me says &#8220;whatever works.&#8221; Part of me says &#8220;Bono is kind of a tool.&#8221;</p>
<p>No matter what, it&#8217;s gotta be better than Michael W. Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bravo james wood, bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bravo james wood, bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: James Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian music is probably 99% crap.  I work in a place that sells such things and most of it is pretty horrible - Gaither-what?  The stuff I like is the stuff that is edgy and psalms-like.  For a more folksy-James-Taylor-esque sound, Chris Rice has some good lyrics that aren&#039;t always easy or cheery.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think I like it more when I find Christian themes in &quot;secular&quot; music (I hate that term so much as if the tripe on KLOVE is somehow sacred, bah).  Just one example pops in my head: My Tournaquet by Evenessence has great Christian themes, but is full of doubt, angst, and real life.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, here&#039;s a side thought, if Christians are told that they always have to pretend like they are happy, then what are we being redeemed from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian music is probably 99% crap.  I work in a place that sells such things and most of it is pretty horrible &#8211; Gaither-what?  The stuff I like is the stuff that is edgy and psalms-like.  For a more folksy-James-Taylor-esque sound, Chris Rice has some good lyrics that aren&#8217;t always easy or cheery.  </p>
<p>I think I like it more when I find Christian themes in &#8220;secular&#8221; music (I hate that term so much as if the tripe on KLOVE is somehow sacred, bah).  Just one example pops in my head: My Tournaquet by Evenessence has great Christian themes, but is full of doubt, angst, and real life.  </p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s a side thought, if Christians are told that they always have to pretend like they are happy, then what are we being redeemed from?</p>
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		<title>By: tabitha jane</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>tabitha jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendID=28492015&amp;blogID=93163728&amp;Mytoken=F7697301-5D05-428B-A0C83A8D93FA6F261234493421&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blogged&lt;/a&gt; about this once and started quite a discussion . . . check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i <a HREF="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&#038;friendID=28492015&#038;blogID=93163728&#038;Mytoken=F7697301-5D05-428B-A0C83A8D93FA6F261234493421" REL="nofollow">blogged</a> about this once and started quite a discussion . . . check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Rizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian artists tend to avoid singing about life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oooo, how about Christian musics obsession with worship music! Has anyone noticed that every single band/singer is now coming out with a worship album? In some way does that seem like they&#039;re pandering to AMerican evangelicals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian artists tend to avoid singing about life.</p>
<p>Oooo, how about Christian musics obsession with worship music! Has anyone noticed that every single band/singer is now coming out with a worship album? In some way does that seem like they&#8217;re pandering to AMerican evangelicals?</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once listened to Christian . . . umm . . . I just can&#039;t bring myself to call it rock. I was content. That was before I grew up, before life dragged me face-down across the figurative hot coals and broken glass. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I then realized (many years before I worked for a Christian music distribution company) that most of the Christian music we hear is really very shallow. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have these people everread the &lt;i&gt;Psalms&lt;/i&gt;? Well they sure didn&#039;t read 13(my favorite) or 88 (the one with which Bruggemann seems obsessed). They didn&#039;t read Job either, or Jeremiah or Micah or James or I &amp; II Peter, or just about any other biblical literature, though they almost always claim to believe in it. I&#039;ve met athiests who read and understood scripture better . . . &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Okay, sorry . . . pet peeve . . . I&#039;m okay now; I&#039;ll post about it sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once listened to Christian . . . umm . . . I just can&#8217;t bring myself to call it rock. I was content. That was before I grew up, before life dragged me face-down across the figurative hot coals and broken glass. </p>
<p>I then realized (many years before I worked for a Christian music distribution company) that most of the Christian music we hear is really very shallow. </p>
<p>Have these people everread the <i>Psalms</i>? Well they sure didn&#8217;t read 13(my favorite) or 88 (the one with which Bruggemann seems obsessed). They didn&#8217;t read Job either, or Jeremiah or Micah or James or I &#038; II Peter, or just about any other biblical literature, though they almost always claim to believe in it. I&#8217;ve met athiests who read and understood scripture better . . . </p>
<p>Okay, sorry . . . pet peeve . . . I&#8217;m okay now; I&#8217;ll post about it sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/05/17/christian-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that, although there is amazing secular artist, I find myself having to figure out whether it&#039;s christian or not.  I remember the days of trying to convince Phil and K.C that Petra was cool.  That or Carman or Acapella...  I&#039;m with you, Roni.  It did not take very long for the christian stuff to explode(in a good way).&lt;br/&gt;Lisa can I be in your band?  I have this great song I&#039;ve been wanting to put out called Jesus loves the f*cking little children.  ( Hey, I only did that cause Arwin way crossed the line.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that, although there is amazing secular artist, I find myself having to figure out whether it&#8217;s christian or not.  I remember the days of trying to convince Phil and K.C that Petra was cool.  That or Carman or Acapella&#8230;  I&#8217;m with you, Roni.  It did not take very long for the christian stuff to explode(in a good way).<br />Lisa can I be in your band?  I have this great song I&#8217;ve been wanting to put out called Jesus loves the f*cking little children.  ( Hey, I only did that cause Arwin way crossed the line.)</p>
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