Comments on: Grabbing the Bull By the Horns…Literally http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/ Initiating a new Grassroots movement in downtown Vancouver Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:25:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-1725 Anonymous Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:18:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-1725 Excellent, love it! <a HREF="http://film-editing-schools2.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">»</a> Excellent, love it! »

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]]> By: tabitha jane http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-309 tabitha jane Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:31:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-309 you ARE awesome. you ARE awesome.

]]> By: Rizzle http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-304 Rizzle Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:12:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-304 I didn't realize that you had posted back on this. And I doubt that you'll ever read this...but...if that is what I'm saying then I disagree with me too. I think we agree more than it seems. Its just that I'm trying to question and you're trying to answer. So then it looks like you're a bitch and I'm awesome...ok, maybe thats not what it looks like, but anyway. I love the type of church that you go to,and alot of that is what I want Renovatus to be like, the community and the activism. Prayerfuly, God will take us there. I didn’t realize that you had posted back on this. And I doubt that you’ll ever read this…but…if that is what I’m saying then I disagree with me too. I think we agree more than it seems. Its just that I’m trying to question and you’re trying to answer. So then it looks like you’re a bitch and I’m awesome…ok, maybe thats not what it looks like, but anyway. I love the type of church that you go to,and alot of that is what I want Renovatus to be like, the community and the activism. Prayerfuly, God will take us there.

]]> By: tabitha jane http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-287 tabitha jane Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:36:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-287 plugs? awesome.<br/><br/>maybe the "church planter" and his whole team share the responsibility together of creating a space for god to bring together a church . . . i just don't quite come along side you in your idea of one man having sole responsibility for all the souls at the church. the "minister/preacher/paster/whateverwordyouchoosetouse" is just a voice of guidance and sharing the word and counsel . . . the whole team of elders and deacons, etc share in the vision casting and building up of the body. and the body itself is capable of taking care of each other and being active in their community as well (they are capable of more than most communities often actually end up doing since they are so willing to be passive and say "it's not my responsibility. it's that guy up there with all the words coming out of his mouth."<br/><br/>man, do i sound cranky/bitchy/disagreeable? i hope not. i don't mean to.<br/><br/>i'd love to hear how your conversation with plug man goes! this is waaaayy interesting to me.<br/><br/>grace and peace and a happy weekend to you. plugs? awesome.

maybe the “church planter” and his whole team share the responsibility together of creating a space for god to bring together a church . . . i just don’t quite come along side you in your idea of one man having sole responsibility for all the souls at the church. the “minister/preacher/paster/whateverwordyouchoosetouse” is just a voice of guidance and sharing the word and counsel . . . the whole team of elders and deacons, etc share in the vision casting and building up of the body. and the body itself is capable of taking care of each other and being active in their community as well (they are capable of more than most communities often actually end up doing since they are so willing to be passive and say “it’s not my responsibility. it’s that guy up there with all the words coming out of his mouth.”

man, do i sound cranky/bitchy/disagreeable? i hope not. i don’t mean to.

i’d love to hear how your conversation with plug man goes! this is waaaayy interesting to me.

grace and peace and a happy weekend to you.

]]> By: Rizzle http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Rizzle Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:54:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-283 I'm not sure what I'm saying. And I actually really do want to get together with Imago pastors.<br/>I do know that I don't believe that the church planter/pastor/minister needs to be "The Man", a savior in and of himself. That is dangerous thinking. I think there is just something more to it when you are the vision caster, the person who provides the direction (ie the direcion to which Jesus is calling you to of course), yada yada yada. No longer is it just about your own one on relationships, but it's about hundreds even thousands of lost people that you are called to create a church for.<br/>I'm going to stop typing and call a church planter I met yesterday. He has plugs, so he's got to be pretty wise when it comes to this blog.<br/>peace. I’m not sure what I’m saying. And I actually really do want to get together with Imago pastors.
I do know that I don’t believe that the church planter/pastor/minister needs to be “The Man”, a savior in and of himself. That is dangerous thinking. I think there is just something more to it when you are the vision caster, the person who provides the direction (ie the direcion to which Jesus is calling you to of course), yada yada yada. No longer is it just about your own one on relationships, but it’s about hundreds even thousands of lost people that you are called to create a church for.
I’m going to stop typing and call a church planter I met yesterday. He has plugs, so he’s got to be pretty wise when it comes to this blog.
peace.

]]> By: tabitha jane http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-277 tabitha jane Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:03:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-277 i'm not exactly sure what you are asking here . . . i do know that rick, the pastor at imago (where i go) is awesome at interacting with new people and showing them christ. there is a beautiful story about how he built a friendship with this man who did not believe for a long time and now he is the leader of my home community. i could tell it to you, but it is looonnnggg and not for blogging.<br/>since i am not sure what you are asking here, i will just say that maybe the "leader" isn't called to do all the work. that a leader does just as much work as the rest of the "body." just because he is the mouth of the body, doesn't mean he has to be some sort of super recruiter or something . . . is this even along the same lines?<br/><br/>i'll be you could contact rick at pastorrick at imagodeicommunity dot com and ask what this looks like for him (they went from being a small group of 40 people to a church of thousands in 5 years). i'm sure he'd be more than willing to have a conversation with you about it.<br/><br/>i LOVE this dialogue!<br/><br/>peace. i’m not exactly sure what you are asking here . . . i do know that rick, the pastor at imago (where i go) is awesome at interacting with new people and showing them christ. there is a beautiful story about how he built a friendship with this man who did not believe for a long time and now he is the leader of my home community. i could tell it to you, but it is looonnnggg and not for blogging.
since i am not sure what you are asking here, i will just say that maybe the “leader” isn’t called to do all the work. that a leader does just as much work as the rest of the “body.” just because he is the mouth of the body, doesn’t mean he has to be some sort of super recruiter or something . . . is this even along the same lines?

i’ll be you could contact rick at pastorrick at imagodeicommunity dot com and ask what this looks like for him (they went from being a small group of 40 people to a church of thousands in 5 years). i’m sure he’d be more than willing to have a conversation with you about it.

i LOVE this dialogue!

peace.

]]> By: Rizzle http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Rizzle Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:46:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-271 For the sake of dialoge, I thought of a complication...I like everything you've said (Tabs), but how does that work on a leadership level. What I mean is that for a Christian who is called to a normal job and ministry it all fits perfect. They go about their businiess purposefully being Jesus in their world. But when you're in a leadership possition in a church, particularly a new church, it seems as though you should be finding ways of touching more people (not neccisarily personally). On one level you want to inspire people to be Jesus, on another you want to be Jesus in your community yourself, on another you want to meet new people, on another you want to disciple new followers...Simply "being church" touches a few people (the people you interact with everyday), but I want to touch more people and I want to retain more of the first touch people that invest in some small way.<br/>Is that all making sense? I like what you said on an intimate level and I like to think that it is all that is needed (and maybe it is), but my question is, is there more that a church planter is called to? For the sake of dialoge, I thought of a complication…I like everything you’ve said (Tabs), but how does that work on a leadership level. What I mean is that for a Christian who is called to a normal job and ministry it all fits perfect. They go about their businiess purposefully being Jesus in their world. But when you’re in a leadership possition in a church, particularly a new church, it seems as though you should be finding ways of touching more people (not neccisarily personally). On one level you want to inspire people to be Jesus, on another you want to be Jesus in your community yourself, on another you want to meet new people, on another you want to disciple new followers…Simply “being church” touches a few people (the people you interact with everyday), but I want to touch more people and I want to retain more of the first touch people that invest in some small way.
Is that all making sense? I like what you said on an intimate level and I like to think that it is all that is needed (and maybe it is), but my question is, is there more that a church planter is called to?

]]> By: tabitha jane http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-270 tabitha jane Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:11:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-270 anytime! i LOVE dialoguing about this stuff . . . (is dialoguing a word? and, if so, did i even spell it right?) anytime! i LOVE dialoguing about this stuff . . . (is dialoguing a word? and, if so, did i even spell it right?)

]]> By: Rizzle http://www.renovatus.com/rybee/2006/04/18/grabbing-the-bull-by-the-hornsliterally/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Rizzle Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:09:00 +0000 http://renovatus.com/rybee/?p=56#comment-269 No, I totally agree. The usage of the term "unchurched" is as apt a word as saying that we need to "get" them into church, as if they are animals that need to be herded into their proper place. More than anything its a neccesity of writing a quick blog and having a small vocabulary.<br/>But what you say is very true. Jesus is so much bigger than Sunday mornings! Those times are such a small part of what being a Christ follower is.<br/>Cool. Thanks for the words. I like it. No, I totally agree. The usage of the term “unchurched” is as apt a word as saying that we need to “get” them into church, as if they are animals that need to be herded into their proper place. More than anything its a neccesity of writing a quick blog and having a small vocabulary.
But what you say is very true. Jesus is so much bigger than Sunday mornings! Those times are such a small part of what being a Christ follower is.
Cool. Thanks for the words. I like it.

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